tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11996122.post113566772689642605..comments2024-03-24T02:17:44.264-05:00Comments on Online Space News: SovereigntyDan Schrimpsherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12226382166616841383noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11996122.post-18272139565949869612008-02-18T01:31:00.000-06:002008-02-18T01:31:00.000-06:00sovereignty to me lies in the instant and for the ...sovereignty to me lies in the instant and for the entirety of time an indevidual refuses to be governed or be supportive of anything but his or her own concience.i was always a conciencouse objecter and registered as such when i turned 18 when those letters from selective service came.however with sovereignty it seems to me that while being legally exempt without repercussion from taxes is the practical and moral thing to do since i do not believe it is my needs or morals these taxes go to maintain and at best would still be funding the imposition of my views on others,it seems to me controdictory to say that sovereignty could be granted by anyone else.i live as a free man or a conquered one .it's ironic to have to claim it.it just shows what statis you were previously in case you were one of those who thought you were free becouse you were brought up with a blasphemouse definition of the word.i read somewhere once that you legally give up sovereignty when you accept a social securety number.interesting since you aren't even old enough to speak!jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03162870591575411161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11996122.post-1135721874022269872005-12-27T16:17:00.000-06:002005-12-27T16:17:00.000-06:00See http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sovereignty/...See http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sovereignty/ for a nice discussion on what sovereignty means in the modern (post Westphalia) era. Good reference for a layman I think.<BR/><BR/>In practical terms you have sovereignty when you exercise control over territory you claim and are recognized by independent powers as sovereign.<BR/><BR/>Which is, granted, something of a chicken and egg argument. What makes a country sovereign? Force of will, mostly, plus outside assistance, or at least benign neglect.<BR/><BR/>Self sufficiency is nice, but not needed.<BR/><BR/>In terms of the 19th century the Republic of Texas was not self sufficient. No manufacturing, the economy was completely agricultural. Everything was imported from the United States or home made. Yet the Republic existed for 10 years as a sovereign country, recognized by several European powers, fought (limited) wars and so on.<BR/><BR/>...<BR/><BR/>That extra-terrestrial communities would seek self-government is not a given - the American Revolution was something of a new thing in the world, enabled by special conditions that obtained in the British Colonies. The general rule of thumb was that colonies would be ruled from the Metropolitan and always would be; provision was never made for independence.<BR/><BR/>For that matter the genius that permitted the growth of the United States was the Northwest Ordinance, permitting territories to apply for state hood on an equal footing with established states. We see this as the rule not the exception that it is.<BR/><BR/>Would an extra-terrestrial community seek independence? Depends on how they see themselves. People going to settle the frontier and who don't expect to come back are going to demand self representation if they're coming from an Anglosphere tradition.<BR/><BR/>If you're just heading out for a few years to make your fortune you won't care, or if you come from a culture that does not encourage civil rights - if you're a peasant here you'll be a peasant there.Brian Dunbarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12952894032434503816noreply@blogger.com